I came in to StL from the west (and left that way) and during my time there was shacked up at a hotel in the area known as Maryland Heights or Westport, and came into the city daily from there. I've spent a lot of time all over Los Angeles, including central LA & 'The Hood' among other places, so I'm not exactly virginal about it. I'm sure everybody complains about traffic anywhere there are at least two cars and one stop sign, and personal standards on that will vary depending on where you come from. For someone whose home is in the Mojave Desert, I'm thinking that packing a light to medium jacket for that would be about right. But I'll be returning for two weeks in mid to late October, and this will include spending about 4 hours at a stretch seated outdoors mostly during evening to nightime hours on at least several and perhaps as many as half a dozen or more nights.

In my visits I was there twice during the season apparently known to locals as: 'The Steam Bath.' A little more so in StL than KC, at least when I was there. So I preferred hopping on the train within the inner eight miles or so. It just isn't one of the easiest either, that I'd enjoy casually motoring around in just for leisurely sightseeing fun, especially in the most heavily trafficked and oldest parts with some narrow rather eccentric routes that apparently were laid out when people & goods moved around by horse & wagon, and where folks tend to get most 'unconventional' in their behavior behind the wheel and on foot (as locals were quick to say the same by way of warning me when giving directions).

Even in the most central areas it isn't close to being one of the very worst places in the US in that way, in my opinion. Though the driving round and about and to and fro was indeed okay enough with no grounds for complaint, if you don't mind the tradeoff of feeling homogenized and pasteurized and franchised and the sameness of being generally-ized.ĮDIT to add: If my earlier remarks sounded like I think StL ranks way down in the very lowest depth of motoring Hell, that isn't true, I don't. Drawing Dead had an Annual HOA Mtg last weekend too? Small world.No, don't have one, but DD did recently make his every other year visit to a big-box-store-mountain-range and chain-store-forest of a suburban shopping center while out there to make a hands on comparison before ordering some new gadgets and gizmos and on his way out DD had a moment of forgetting whether he was in California or Kansas, Nevada or New Jersey, Washington or Wisconsin, Minnesota or Missouri, Atlanta or Albuquerque.

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